Stephen: Christian, welcome to the Stephen McCain podcast.
Christian: My pleasure.
Stephen: Thanks for your patience. We've had some technical difficulties here, but look we met each other at A4M a while ago, and then we reconnected at a stem cell conference here in Las Vegas this last weekend. And it just got me reinvigorated about your product.
You have a, an amazing oral stem cell mobilizer. And we're gonna, we're gonna get into all of it and the benefits of it. And, but how did you even get into all this stem cell stuff? Because I've read, I started reading your book and I really like it. And you're a wealth of knowledge with stem cells.
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Christian: My, my background is neurophysiology, brain research. So I was I was at McGill at the Montreal Neurological Institute, and then I was hired in 1995 by a company that at the time was really the main company selling a product that you may have heard of, blue green algae from Klamath Lake.
So as I just studied this product, I studied, we found the mechanism of action active compounds. But as I'm doing all that work, I come across cases that people who reversed multiple sclerosis, heart disease, emphysema, liver failure, Parkinson, Alzheimer's. And when it's just one case, it's just a story.
It's, there's no, it's not a scientific. evidence if you want. But when you got, I don't know, 20, 50, a hundred of these cases, and then I get to know some of them and I go through their medical files and it really confirms that this was a true story. There's just a point where it became very compelling.
Like what is this plant doing in the body to lead to not only extensive benefits, But benefits that we're touching so many different aspects of human health. Normally a plan doesn't do something for the brain and by the way, for the heart and for the long and for the liver. Oh, and by the way, for the pancreas, they normally, they're more targeted in how they're working.
So we had no explanation until. We discovered that it was triggering stem cell release from the bone marrow. And suddenly it really explained everything that we had seen. So I went from brain research and everything shifted into stem cells. So that's really what led me to stem cell research. And obviously, it's the case of everybody today in the world of stem cells.
It's not a training in college that you can have in stem cells. It's too new. So it's people who get into it and then start to study it. So that's what I did.
Stephen: Yeah, it's a fascinating topic, for someone like me and not to toot my own horn, but like I've optimized so many facets of my life that really I'm in the new frontiers. Like, the only thing that's really left for me is, you know, I'm really digging exosomes and stem cells and actually tried my first stem cell procedure back in 2016.
I think 2018 I did the Wharton Jelly, and good results, and I've recently done exosomes, IV, exosomes in my face with Sandra Kaufman, who, she was at the, with me at the event, and blown away by how I felt with that stuff, and it's fascinating what we're doing. Thank you. You know, the, the field that it, what is happening in this field.
And when you sit and look at these presentations and you see rotator cuffs, that the tear is completely filled in and in your book, you talk about how, growing new parts of your brain that we thought were never possible, this is exciting. And so you've been in this field for how many years, not 20 years.
Christian: I really, I started one day when, so we're studying this blue green algae since 2001. So I'm studying this blue green algae, trying to understand how it's working. And I come across an article, the title was turning blood into brain. It's the first report to my knowledge. Documenting a stem cells from the bone marrow going to the brain and becoming a brain cell.
I mean, you need to go back in 2001. Stem cells are only precursors to blood cells and you don't make new brain cells. So two big dogmas of science and one study now just reversed. both of them. So that really was my entry into the whole field of stem cell research. So it's 22 years now.
Stephen: Yeah, fascinating. And just for the listeners, if you could explain like the fundamentals of what is a stem cell and what is the potential of a stem cell.
Christian: So there is evolution in our knowledge of it. And at some point we can go into this because I think it helps put a lot of the stuff that. People have heard in the media, you know, baby parts and all that stuff, which is really, is not true. But if we go to the definition of what is a stem cell, the best way I think to understand what is a stem cells is first to talk about what is not a stem cell.
So every single cell of the body, they're called somatic cells. They do one specific thing. They are specialized. They will never transform into anything else. Like you take a cell of your retina, it's going to be excited by light. That's what it's going to do all its life until it dies, and it's replaced by another one.
Same thing for your heart, your muscles, all these cells, they're specialized, nothing, they will never change. At the other end of the spectrum, you have stem cells. In your bone marrow is stem cell. does not have a function as a stem cell. Its function will be in its ability to transform into another type of cell.
So traditionally they were known to be precursors to blood cells, red blood cells, lymphocytes, platelets. But now what we've discovered since the early 2000 is that stem cells from the bone marrow can, in fact, transform into cells of just about any type of cells in your body and they are indeed your repair system.
So that's really what stem cells are,
Stephen: Yeah. And every differentiated cell or every cell in your body once started out as a stem cell, right?
Christian: single one of them. And that's really what you just expressed there to me is at this point in time, the apex of the culmination of all the science that has been done so far in the field of stem cell research. Because if we say stem cells, for most people. It's a treatment. You go somewhere and you get a stem cells.
The question is what type, umbilical, fat tissue, blood, bone marrow, all of that. But the thing that is never talked about is that if you can use your bone marrow stem cells, your blood stem cells, your fat stem cells, that means they are in your body. They're not better because you take them out and put them back in.
So to me, the core question is what is the role of stem cells in the body? And what we're discovering is that, and this is all emerging from stem cell research, is that Every single organ and tissue of the body is constantly going through a process of turnover. They lose cells, your organs are losing cells, stem cells are replacing what is being lost.
So today, at the age that we have, we don't have a whole lot of cells that we're born with. Yes, in your heart, in your brain, but your liver, your pancreas, your skin, you don't have cells that you're born with. They're all new, they've all been replaced by cells coming from the bone marrow.
Stephen: Interesting. So this is truly your, like you said, your healing reservoir for the rest of your life. This bone, these stem cells in your bone marrow. And so what sort of signaling goes on, like maybe when you get injured or to shuttle these stem cells out and repair, or are they just always going out and just seeking, repair,
Stephen: that really work?
Christian: Yeah, both. They're always there. They're always called by a tissue that is in need of repair. So if you've got sort of a chronic injury or a chronic problem, it will constantly call for stem cells to migrate in that tissue. Uh, but you may not have enough stem cells in circulation. to really have a powerful effect, you know, in repair, but in the case of an injury, uh, the phenomenon has been studied now.
I mean, there's, there are hundreds of studies showing different aspects of this whole phenomenon, but what happens is that in, when you get an injury, like all of these studies were done with heart attacks, stroke, burn to the skin, bone fracture, uh, these are the models that were used, but any, any injury will trigger that phenomenon.
So you get the injury. Within probably, I would say like 12 hours or so, there is a compound that is released and we can pick up in the blood, which is called Granulocyte Colony Stimulating Factor, GCSF. That compound, along with a few others, Interleukin 8, Stem Cell Factor, these are all stem factors secreted by the injured tissue.
And it's a call, it's an SOS signal that is meant to reach the bone marrow. And when these compounds reach the bone marrow, they trigger the process of the detachment of stem cells from the bone marrow matrix. So now within the next few days, And this process will peak three to five days after the injury.
You will have an increase in the number of stem cells in circulation that will be three to tenfold. So all these stem cells are circulating everywhere. They don't know where to go. So how do they find the affected tissue? It's that starting on the second day, the affected tissue will release very locally Okay.
In the, in the, in the capillaries, uh, in the vicinity of the injury, we'll release one specific compound called SDF1, stromal derived factor one. That compound will have a specific receptor on the membrane of the stem cell. So when that stem cell is going to find capillaries of the injured tissue, when the compound touches that receptor, immediately the stem cells will express adhesion molecule, will grab the capillary and will stop.
And if it continues to sense. The SDF1, sort of a confirmation that yes, there's an injury here, it triggers the migration of the stem cells through the capillary wall in the tissue, and then there's a whole series of adhesion molecules secreted or expressed at the mem on the membrane of the stem cell that will make the stem cell literally crawl.
to the area of the injury and upon contact with cellular debris of that tissue, stem cell will multiply and transform into cells of that tissue. Just like you have an immune system that we can define the whole process of how an immune cell will deal with an infection, you have a repair system with your stem cells being released.
Very, very finely coordinated process to lead these stem cells to the injury and to repair the injury. It's a repair system.
Stephen: Yeah. And keeping that system optimal, I imagine, would not only help you age slower, feel better, have everything working better, probably. live longer, at least a higher quality life, right? So how do we optimize this system? Cause the thing that, that the question I have in my mind is you have this reserve of stem cells as you age, is that reserve declining?
Basically what I'm trying to ask is what slows down the amount of circulating stem cells? Cause that's the thing that you're talking about is truly the healing, right? How much do you have in circulation? Yeah. What slows that down?
Christian: Yeah, there's a few like fundamental questions here that you ask. So let's unfold them because you ask, you know, stem cells and longevity. And this is the other side of the story that is not really talked about. Anybody goes to get stem cells to repair something. But when there's nothing to repair. Then your stem cells you feel are really not doing anything.
And it's not true. They're playing an absolutely essential role, even in your survival. You did, you would not have these stem cells today. You would not be alive. So it's very important to go back to that topic. But to answer your question about where this decline is coming from, uh, I wondered for a long time, you know, why this is happening in the human body.
And it suddenly dawned on me, uh, at some point that if you look at our history, evolutionary. Evolution here. I'm referring to. So over the past 50, 000 of years, 50, 000 years, we have evolved with a life expectancy of 30 years. That was about the lifespan of a human being over the past thousands of years.
So longevity has never been selected. There was never an opportunity here to select longevity. So we are here today with a biology and over a whole human body that today has now 50 years of additional lifespan. Over the past 150 years, we've gained, now we have a life expectancy of 80 years of age. So, but we are, our body has evolved to be strong for 30.
And that is mirrored, or you can see the impact of this, or the consequence of this is that your bone marrow that is in charge of keeping you healthy and alive during your lifespan is exhausted. Around 30 years of age. So what happens is that you're born with red marrow and that red marrow Slowly converts into fatty marrow So your red marrow that makes stem cells shrinks as you age and that shrinkage is is constant, and it reaches around age 30, you have lost about 95% of that red marrow.
And there's a point in your 30s, and this is mirrored by a decline in the number of stem cells in circulation, because what you have in your bone marrow is one thing. What you need to repair is, how many do I have in the blood available to participate in tissue repair? That's really what matters, but the amount of red marrow that you have will dictate how much you have in circulation.
So, as your bone marrow shrink, red marrow, then you have fewer and fewer stem cells in circulation. Keep in mind, as I mentioned before, all the organs and tissues are in a process of turnover, meaning you lose cells every day and you need to replace them every day. So there's a point in your 30s where that decline in the number of stem cells available to offset cellular loss.
start to, to be, you don't have enough. So when you start to no longer have enough stem cells to offset the normal cellular loss, that's the day where you start to accumulate minuscule, like very small, unrepaired tissue damage, but they accumulate over time and they will be 20 years down the road, any one of those so called age related diseases.
If we count the number of stem cells in the bloodstream of people who have developed erectile dysfunction, atrial sclerosis, diabetes, liver failure, COPD, Parkinson's, lupus, arthritis, uh, kidney failure. I mean, the list is growing. Anytime there's a new study, we see the same results. All these people have on average, less than 50% of the number of stem cells that you find in a healthy person of the same age.
How many stem cells you have in your blood today to offset The normal process of tissue of cellular loss is what will determine your health for now in the rest of your life. So when you talk about longevity, stem cells play a crucial role in not only longevity, I will say lifespan, but let's say healthspan during your lifespan.
Stephen: Yeah, that's the big keyword. Excuse me. These days is healthspan like who wants to live in diapers for the last 20 years of their life, right? What I want to be active, I want to be having a great time, but, it is interesting that. Even if you do everything right, you manage the big four, your nutrition, your sleep, your exercise, your stress, you're only going to squeeze out so much.
Because the human body is actually. It's not designed to live on endeavor. We were supposed to multiply, raise kids, raise them, die, right? Like the, our genes are even like telomeres and everything is set up for that process. And so it really begs the question, what sort of plan of action can I do?
to mitigate this predefined system that where I have to step in front of it what modalities are available to me. And so when it comes to stem cells, maybe what you're implying is instead of thinking of this as, Oh, I got this injury, I should maybe look at stem cells because then I don't have to have surgery.
Instead, maybe look at stem cells and some of these things is how do I roll these into my lifestyle? How do I systematize so that once a year or once a day or something that I have a stem cell protection to avoid stem cell exhaustion like, and that's where your product kind of is intriguing in a way.
Maybe if you could tell us, introduce us about your Stemregen product that you have and how it works.
Christian: Okay. Uh, but to your first question, you know, what, what, um, like, like an injury. And as an athlete, what I'm going to say, you know it very well. It's almost like everybody knows it. And yet when a problem shows up in our life, uh, Don't we think that it just happened? Nothing happens overnight. Absolutely nothing happens overnight.
Even an injury that has happened like in in one specific moment, you can point to the moment when you pulled a tendon, for example, or pull the muscle. But it did not start on the moment when you pulled that muscle. The muscle that you pulled was the one that had a micro injury the day before, and the day before, and maybe for the past year.
But you keep training on it, it never fully repairs, and then that's where the weakness is. So what I'm talking about here is exactly what you talked about. Think of repair, not as repairing the thing that just happened to you or the diagnosis that you just got, you know, yesterday, where now you live like now I have a problem, but it's more every single day of your life.
The problem is developing microscopically is the accumulation of a slow decline. If you manage it At that time, then, uh, I, I prefer, like, I don't like the word prevention because prevention makes us focus on the big problem and you're afraid of having it, so you do something for it. I'm talking about health maintenance.
The health that you have today, you just keep it simply by supporting this process of tissue, uh, of tissue renewal. Uh, so, so health maintenance. And the way to do this, you know, you talked a few minutes, a moment ago about the big four. And one thing that fascinates me I'm not going to say that it's the only leverage here, but it's amazing.
Like nutrition is good on its own. It will bring many aspects that are important. Stress control, sleep, exercise, all of these are great. They are effective in various aspects, but there is a common denominator that I find fascinating. Think of the things that are good for your health. Good antioxidant nutrition, have a good sleep, exercise, Control, stress.
Don't smoke cigarettes, don't drink alcohol. All of these have been shown to have an effect on stem cells. You reduce inflammation, you reduce oxidative stress. You support stem cell function. You have good sleep, you support stem cell function. You are stressed, you suppress stem cell function. Alcohol, cigarette smoking, suppress stem cell function.
It's almost like stem cells is emerging as sort of the core aspects, the core aspect of human health. And in, with all of this in mind, what I have done, so you can do things for stem cells, control your stress, sleep well, do exercise, all of these are good. Uh, fasting, fasting for more than three days releases stem cells.
So fasting will do a lot of things for you, trigger autophagy, all kinds of things. But the, the amazing thing that's, that fasting does for health, I believe is tied to the fact that it triggers stem cell mobilization. It is one of the stem cell technologies if you want. And along the line of all of this, I just stumbled on a plant.
What I was talking at the beginning of the podcast, this blue green algae from climate Lake, I'm studying it. We don't understand why it's bringing all these different benefits. Uh, I come across this article. turning blood into brain and observation that stem cells are seen to turn into brain cell. I go into the scientific literature to see what else I could find.
And I find another study showing that stem cells can become liver cell. And then another one saying that they can become heart cells. So I'm thinking if stem cells can become heart, liver, and brain. Why not long pancreas, skin, and the rest? Makes no sense that they would become those three and not the rest.
So, let's speculate here. Let's say that it's just a matter of time. So, we're in 2001. Let's say that it's just a matter of time, and we will discover that they can become everything. It's bound to be that. So, if we accept that that's what it is, They have to be the repair system of the body. So I published this article in 2001 suggesting that stem cells are the repair system of the body.
And in the back of my mind is that if they are the repair system of the body, and you have a plant that triggers their release from the bone marrow. They will go as the repair system in the pancreas of the diabetic, in the brain of the Parkinson, in the heart of the cardiac patient, in the lung of the emphysema patient.
So you should have a broad variety of benefits seen in different people. And that's what we had. So honestly, it just started because in 2001, That's the only hypothesis that started to make sense to explain maybe how this plant was working. So we acquired a flow cytometer. We started to count stem cells on ourselves.
We took the blue green algae, we counted stem cells an hour, two hours after consumption, and very quickly we saw the phenomenon. It triggers stem cell release from the bone marrow. So after discovering what this blue green algae Uh, AFA was doing, then to me it was clear we evolved in symbiosis with the environment.
There has to be other plants having an effect on that repair system. How do you find them? So you ask the question, what has been known historically to be associated with many kinds of benefits? Goji berries for longevity, medicinal mushroom, uh, seaweed extract. And so we started to test all of these. We saw an effect on stem cells on all of them.
Then I started to go into remote areas of the world that are unattached or disconnected if you want, with the global economy, like in Madagascar, what is their go to plant, you know, that is good for everything, Papua New Guinea. South America, in Africa, where, what is their go to plant? And that's where we found the most effective one that we have so far.
So sea buckthorn berry from the Tibetan plateau, aloe macroplata from Madagascar, seaweeds from Patagonia. So I've put together a product that is the blend of the top five plants that we have documented that act as stem cell mobilizer. They trigger the release of stem cells from the bone marrow. So that has really been sort of the past 22 years of my life researching plants that act in the body like stem cell mobilizer, just like other plants act as immunomodulator.
Stephen: Yeah, it's, amazing. In your book, or I think maybe I listened to you on a podcast and you were talking about how you guys had to do some sort of like deals with Madagascar in order to like, like crop sharing and to sequester these things and make sure that you had a supply of them.
It's quite an undertaking. It's very impressive. And I agree with you when you said about these injuries, don't you show up out of nowhere? I always tell people it's like a piece of paper. If you tear a little tear in a piece of paper and then you just start pulling on that piece of paper, it rips really easy, right?
And that's happening to athletes all the time. They're getting these tears and they're not recovering. And most athletes, if you're at a world class level or over trained, I mean, I was over trained for 12 years straight, you just, in order to try to keep up with learning all this stuff, but to have something like your product that is just, filling in the gaps on a daily basis is very intriguing to me because I view all this aging stuff.
And I've talked about this before in the podcast, like watching your fingernails grow. And it's the same thing when I tell people about exercising and they just, Oh, I don't, it's not working for me. It's not working for me. And they're one week into it. And it's like, you know, look, if I told you to watch your fingernails grow for an hour, and then I would ask you, did your fingernails grow?
And you'd be like, no, they didn't. But I said, come back in two weeks and tell me if your fingernails grew. They did. Right. So we have a hard time conceptualizing time and aging. And I think that it's. This whole anti aging thing, I see these quote unquote experts that are anti aging, and I'm like, you know, how do you look, what is your discipline?
What is your practice? And I view it as a daily discipline, that sometimes is weekly and monthly and yearly, but it is an ongoing thing to mitigate this. You don't wait until 20 years of accumulation have happened. And then. You just think you're going to get a stem cell procedure and look like 10, 20 years younger.
Right? And so I'm fascinated by what you have done. I'm let me ask you this. How do people dose your product? How do you recommend them dosing it? Are you
Christian: Yeah, I, I probably it's, it's a better question what I recommend because people have done all kinds of things over the years and actually the recommendation that I have comes from all these stories that I've heard what we do in our studies. Anytime you take two capsules of stem regen, you will increase, this is the studies that we have done, you will have on average about 80% more stem cells in circulation.
In all the studies that we have done, uh, with people between let's say, uh, 20 to 70 years of age. The average is about 2. 4 stem cell per microliter, uh, more when you're younger, less when you're older. But, but let's say we use that average. Uh, you have five liters of blood, so that's about 10 million stem cells.
So you take two capsules, you release 10 million stem cells. The residency time of stem cells in the bloodstream is anywhere between six minutes to six hours. Average about an hour or two. So it's really a wave of this, of stem cells that you send in the body. They go and they, they repair and then they go back.
Any, any of those that don't go into tissues, go back to the bone marrow and they're ready to be re-released again. So understanding this process in the body, the best effect is to send several waves of stem cells. So, it's better to send several smaller waves than one big wave because your body is equipped to work into, like you just described, small increment.
It's small declines every day that you repair with small busy bees going out there in the body and doing the repair. You do this several times a day, that's the best results. So, what we recommend is start for the first month or two and take two capsules and do this two or three times a day. Just upfront to kind of give your body this this this boost if you want of tissue repair And then after that you can taper off go back to two capsules a day And if you feel that no your body was doing better doing two three times a day then go back to that for a little While because it won't last forever.
There's a point where you've done enough repair where you're totally fine on just maintenance, you may be fine even stopping and going back now to it every two, three months. You know, if you take two capsules a day and it releases 10 million stem cells, that means 300 million at the end of the month. So there's a point where you can just do this, let's say four times a year.
So that's sort of the, the approach you should take with the product.
Stephen: Yeah, and it's probably beneficial to do what you said, a multiple dose a day in the beginning so that you're actually convinced that this is actually working for you, right? And if you are, you're more inclined to stick with it. You know what I mean? What about if somebody has sustained an injury?
Or maybe they just did ran a marathon or something where they're, they beat themselves up pretty bad. How would you dose something like that?
Christian: You know, what you're talking about now has become, if you want, our, how could I say, our go to challenge to people, uh, to say, you want to see what your stem cells can do for you and you want to see what stem regen can do to your stem cells? It's very simple, go and wreck yourself at the gym, go run a marathon, do something that you know the day after you would be sore.
And then after the event, take two capsules, take two capsules before you go to bed, two when you get up in the morning, and see on that day, the day after, how you feel. I'm not saying you won't feel that you did something the day after. You will feel by far better than if you had not done that and at times People will say I've done it many times and it's almost like you you feel strong You don't feel with soreness or aches and that will show you what your stem cells can do
Stephen: Yeah, I think that's a, I think that's a smart approach. And I always tell everyone, some supplements and adjuvants that you take, they have this ability for you to really build a, I try to build a relationship with every single thing that I take. Some things you can't feel, you can't notice, but you can test and under the hood.
Okay. It's working. For something like this, I think you can develop a relationship with this. Something that's going to make you feel better and recover faster. You can start to learn how you can pulse it for yourself. You know, like what, you know, Oh, after this, I do this and this is my maintenance dose.
And then I take a break sometimes during this time. How would your product? Suit. Let's say other therapies. So like, let's say I was going to do an IV injection of exosomes. Would it be beneficial to take a healthy dose of your Stemregen as well with that?
Christian: Absolutely, not only not only absolutely, but I mean hell yes, and the reason is that exosomes What are exosomes? Exosomes is the communication system of stem cells. That's how they talk to each other. They release these bubbles of growth factors or communication molecules that are meant to coordinate the behavior of stem cells, activating them, triggering their differentiation.
All, everything that is the, the, everything that a stem cell does in the body is coordinated by a language and that is exosomes. So when you inject exosomes, you send a signal. To stem cells, but if you don't have stem cells in the area, your exosomes are sometimes wasted. They're never wasted because you always have some level of stem cells, but if you magnify how many stem cells are there available to receive that signal, you just like.
Amplify the treatment that you're getting with exosomes. So by all means, you know, you go for exosomes, start a few days before, and start to build up, you know, stem cells in the blood, and then you really leverage, and a few days after, and you really leverage exosomes. And it's the same thing for stem cells.
When you get, uh, I'll say, go back to a little bit what we said before. You have about, let's say, average 12 million stem cells in your bloodstream. When you get an injection of, let's say, 100 million stem cells, you have 10 Xed. the number of stem cells in circulation. You completely saturate the postcapillary venule, which is the only area in your entire blood vasculature where stem cells can migrate into tissues.
So a lot of your stem cells are going to actually be recaptured by the bone marrow. Now you have about a hundred, 150 million stem cells in your bone marrow. So now you double the number of stem cells in your bone marrow. So oxygen supply. nutrition, nutrient supply. So now you've got many stem cells that are overly stressed.
And the estimation is that you have oftentimes like a, maybe a 10 to 15% survival of the stem cells that have been injected. Now take stem regen. kick them back out of the bone marrow. Now you send them back into the bloodstream where they have nutrition, oxygen, and another opportunity of going into your tissues.
So what we have seen is that when people get an injection and then they add stem regen, let's say two to three times a day, just in the month that follows. They always come back with better results. We're working right now with a, uh, a cardiologist in Madrid, uh, with whom we do a, a heart study, congest, a study on congestive heart failure.
And that's what we're doing. One group is on stem regen, one group is stem cell injection, and one group is both together so that we can document the benefit of taking the two together because that is his experience. When he combines the two together, he gets much better results.
Stephen: Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. Cause I, I said in the beginning of this podcast and my followers probably have maybe seen this video. It's even on YouTube, but I did it in an exosome IV for two weeks. I felt like Superman. I felt amazing. My libido, my strength, like I just felt perfect, and so I told myself, I'm like this is at least a once a quarter thing. And, For me now, after talking to you, I'm going to be coupling that with your Stemregen and I'll keep you up to date on, just an N of One experiment of myself and, how I notice it. And but I'm really intrigued to see, the effect that has on it. What about are there any other supplements that work really well with yours? I would imagine, if you nitric oxide supplement, increasing your blood flow would probably be a beneficial sidecar to it. Anything else that you've come across?
Christian: Absolutely. So we're working on, on a few companion products, but, but, but until they're available, you know, what you're mentioning is, is, is spot on. So what do you want to do is you want to reduce systemic inflammation. Uh, I won't go into the detail because it can be complex, but systemic inflammation will, in a way, Activate stem cells with their ability to migraine their machinery for migration into tissues, uh, outside of the area where they can actually migrate.
So you basically disable your stem cells and their ability to migrate into tissue. So systemic inflammation, if you, if you have systemic inflammation, you may release stem cells, but many of them may sort of be disabled for their ability to migrate into tissues. So you want to suppress systemic inflammation.
Now, stem cells, mesenchymal stem cells, will have a, a size of anywhere between 8 to 16 micron. Your capillaries will be 8 to 10 microns. So for a stem cell to squeeze itself in a capillary, your capillaries must be able to dilate properly. Number one, you also need to have good, Emo dynamics, good blood fluidity.
So if you got buildup of fibrin, which is very common in our world, then you also don't have good capillary circulation. So I would say nitric oxide blended with natokinase will, will help a lot circulation into fine capillaries. Uh, so when you do
these. When you do those three, you release stem cells, you suppress systemic inflammation, and you open capillaries.
Now you deliver stem cells to your tissues. So you bring new cells to your tissues. Now these cells in your tissue will multiply. So one stem cell can become like a thousand to five thousand cells or more. So now think. A million stem cells get into a tissue. This is 5 billion new cells in the next few days.
I think that right now, science has not well documented and understood. This is probably the greatest metabolic demand of the body. This undergoing, this, this constant repair, this constant maintenance of tissues. So anything that is known to support the functioning of cells, so mitochondrial support, NMN, anything that supports the integrity of DNA duplication in cells, resveratrol, those kinds of compounds will be amazing to support now what is going to happen into tissues.
So I like to put this into the big picture sometime to say. So much of what we're talking about in, in the world of health, NMN, mitochondrial function, resveratrol, all of these things, it's, it's working on existing cells and it's great autophagy. It's working on existing cells, but there's a limit to how well you help your existing cells.
There's a point where an existing cells is getting old and it's better to just like, Make it kick the bucket and replace it with fresh new cells. These are your cells with the longest telomere. You want to increase telomere length in your tissue, flood them with new cells. That's the best way of doing it.
So, so, that's the whole process here. Anything that helps existing cells, you flood your tissue with new cells and then you support them.
Stephen: Yeah. A lot of people will just tell you if you optimize the cell, you optimize the body, right? Back to what you were saying about this stem cell getting through a capillary. What about the different types of fats that you eat? Like omega threes would make the cell membrane more malleable so it can squeeze through those capillaries.
Making sure that you have a good omega three to six ratio, I think would be look, these are all the basic health things. Again, which is great because it's not like there's some new thing constantly. I mean, really manage those big four. Even when you have those basics down, you still go through periods where your sleep gets jacked, right? Or you're, you start stressing about something comes up in your life. And so you have to refocus on that.
And so you really have to have a framework and that framework needs to always have some sort of feedback where you're constantly. Fine tuning it so it doesn't spiral out of control. I know I'm getting a bit off the topic here cause we're, talking about stem cells, but it never hurts to talk about health, and I really am interested in trying your product with some of these adjunct or these extracurricular stem cell things that I might be doing.
I had a couple of years ago also bone marrow taken from my hip. And it's cryogenically frozen. So if I ever need it and I've heard that I could have it multiplied and like expanded and use those I need to follow up and that might be a nice longevity strategy, but to maybe use those along with your product as well, you know, so the, the picture's kind of coming together for a lot of this stuff.
Christian: hmm. There, there are a number of views on this, and, and honestly, I don't think that the science is settled. What I mean is that, A stem cell, once it's out of the bone marrow, uh, will lose its stemness to a degree. Uh, when it starts to multiply, it starts to lose telomerase and, and so the number of cellular division that it will have is a limited number.
So whether you start that in the lab or it starts in your body, the injection looks bigger. But in terms of actual true repair, is it going to really affect the amount of repair? It's an open question. I don't think that that, that question has been properly answered. It may not be necessary to multiply them.
And that is why a lot of clinics right now no longer do the multiplication. It's going to happen in your body. I'm not saying that it doesn't, there's no value to it. There might be, but, but, but it's an open question. Number one, number two, cryoprotection is a, is a great science. It's been very well, uh, I wouldn't say documented, but it's developed over the past, let's say 20 years, but the question remains, if you cryoprotect yourselves for too long, when you thaw them, are they really as effective as when you froze them on day one, are they better?
10 years down the road or 20 years down the road, are they better than the one that you would have now in your body? Because they also decline in quality in your body. Where is that threshold where suddenly you just say, now it's diminishing return. I'm better to go back to my stem cells. Because there is this idea now floating around, I'm hearing it all the time.
Your stem cells are declining. Therefore, past 40 years old, they're down the cliff, you know, they're not working anymore. You need to have an injection of, let's say, umbilical cord stem cells. I'm not going to, I'm not going to debate whether umbilical cord stem cells could be good, because I think it can.
But I will debate this, this idea to say, past 40 years, Uh, you know, your stem cells are not valid. We are doing a study right now with congestive heart failure, chronic, stable congestive heart failure. So we're talking about people who at least for the past two, three years, medicine has done everything that it could to help these people.
Christian: they are now living with a reduced ejection fraction. They walk one flight of stairs, and then they need to stop to catch their breath. And we put them on stem regen, where they release stem cells every day, their own stem cells. The group of people, they are between 68 and 74 years old. And after six months, all of them have normalized cardiac function, normal ejection fraction.
So their 70 year old stem cells did the job. So are they as good as when they were 10 years old? No, they're not. But are they worthless? No, they're not. They can do the job. You know, sometimes I jokingly I say, it's like to say, when you're 40, are you now worthless because you're not as performant as when you were 15?
Stephen: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's a good point. And in your book you talk about this study, could you reproduce an entire rat's what immune system with one stem cell where they just radiated the rat's immune system and then they gave, put one stem cell in and it rebuilt the entire immune system.
Am I correct? Is
Christian: Yeah, yeah. This is, this is, this is a, a powerful, powerful study because there is this idea that, well, if I release more stem cells, am I going to exhaust the bone marrow? And the answer is no. Almost like saying, if I take a glass of water from the ocean, am I going to like empty the ocean? What if I took like a gallon?
Okay, but what if I do this a lot and I take like 50 gallons a day? You're not going to touch the ocean. It's not the ocean will not even know that that you took some water. Your bone marrow is about the same. Your bone marrow is a process called asymmetrical cellular division. Whenever a stem cell is released, a stem cell is divided.
Your bone marrow stays constant. And the question was, okay, but let's say you push that to the total extreme. I completely eradicate all stem cells in the bone marrow and I inject one stem cell. Can that stem cell really reconstitute the bone marrow and reconstitute the blood? And the answer to the question was yes.
Within six weeks, the entire bone marrow was reconstituted, the whole blood system. was reconstituted. Uh, you don't want to do this because right now the entire blood system has one specific gene. You know, it's all emerging from one cell, but, but, but aside from that, yes, one stem cell can just reconstitute everything.
Stephen: That's fascinating. One of the questions I have from reading your book about this asymmetry where when the cell divides, one of it stays the same DNA and one copies the DNA. So the two daughter cells are different. And the copy DNA Goes out into the blood, but if it comes back to the bone marrow, now you have a percentage of your bone marrow stem cells that are not the original DNA.
They're the copy DNA. Does that cause any sort of attrition to the bone marrow over time?
Christian: Very good observation. So you're,
you're reading the book very well. So, uh, yes and no. Uh, you need to understand the way that stem cells are produced and released in the bone marrow is that they, they progress along like lamellas in, in, in the bone marrow. And the one that are going to be released are sort of in a specific pool if you want in the bone marrow.
And that's the pool where your stem cells from the blood are going to go back. So they are the ones that are going to be re released. So somewhere you do have, as you age, you know, you do have like your stem cells are not as Pure for lack of a better term, uh, when you're 50, then on the day you're born, it's part of the decline.
But the stem cells that go back from the blood back to the bone marrow, they are the one that will be re released. They're not the one that will form, if you want, the core stem cells of your bone marrow. But, but it's not an all or none thing. Yes, over your life, it is part of the evolution of your bone marrow.
Stephen: Yeah. And is there any way to stave off this, what I would call fatty bone marrow disease, the, the yellowing of the bone marrow? Is there any way to slow that down that we know of
Christian: Nothing. I
Stephen: all the, no stress, the eating well, the exercise, all of that.
Christian: I don't know. I know. Honestly, I don't. I'm not aware of any studies that has been that studied that process. What factor, uh, can affect that process, accelerated, slow it down. Uh, the only thing that I can say is that right now, this process that is called conversion. Red marrow converting into yellow marrow, if it reverses, it's called reconversion and that is like the hallmark of leukemia.
So right now that process of reconversion is associated with something that you don't want to see in your body. So, but it's not to say that it could not happen. In a healthy way, it's not to say that we might not discover at one day, uh, something that could slow down the conversion or even allow for a sort of a reclaiming of the red marrow over the, the, the, the, the real estate of your bone marrow that it could reoccupy, you know, more space it could be.
But the study of it is extremely delicate because today, if I show you a plant that was going to trigger reconversion, the red flag would immediately be, uh, am I going to promote leukemia? So it's a very, very delicate process and, and today, I don't think any research has been done to attempt doing it, and even just to understand what factors could affect that process.
It, it's, it's a fascinating area of pure research that I would life to, I would love to get into.
Stephen: You also talk about when you inject a embryonic stem cell, you get that mass of various like a, what do you call it? A Tartar Tartosi or what is it?
Christian: Teratoma. So, and it is the reason why, correct. It is the reason why there's no research with embryo, not research, sorry, treatment. There are no treatments with embryonic stem cells. From day one, this was known. Embryonic stem cells will never be. The future of stem cells, it will always be adult stem cells.
And at some point we can go into the story of why there was so much of that confusion on the marketplace. It was all planned to
kind of cloud the whole message. The future has always been. And we'll be with adult stem cells because embryonic stem cells are too powerful. You put them in a tissue, they retain the ability of forming an entire organism.
So you put them in the heart, you get some heart cells, but you also get with that some, uh, you know, I make a joke sometimes I say, you know, some bone cells, skin cells, a few teeth and a toupee, uh, you know, you get everything.
Stephen: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Look, this has been, really fascinating just to be able to pick your brain a little bit and to get inside of it by, reading some of your book and like I said, I'm trying your product again, I'm really going to put it to the test.
I'm going to, I'm going to try various dosings. So I am going to do the front loading, like you said, and I do work out. Like, very consistently, that's one of my big things, and so, uh, I should have some opinions on that that I'll definitely be giving you feedback on, and also I'll be using it when I do my next exosome IV and that'll be interesting.
But if somebody wants to give your product, StemRegion, uh, uh a try, you got me set up as an affiliate. I don't think my code is set up yet. But when this podcast gets released there will be a page for it with all the resources for everything we talked about, and there'll be a link to your product.
And I believe you're offering 15% off if
Christian: correct. 15% off on the first order through affiliates. So, uh, so the moment you, they use your code, they will get 15% off.
Stephen: Okay. So you might as well buy like three bottles if you're going to do that. If you, if you get it for a one time purchase, right?
Christian: you go. There you go. And, and it's, there's one thing I think that is important to, we, we mentioned it, but, but I want to refocus on it because you mentioned, um, you know, we, we use this for repair. We go to the gym. You want to feel it. You know, it's a product that you can experience. All of this is true.
However. So, in the background, the thing to always keep in mind is that your stem cells keep you alive. If you didn't have stem cells today, you would not be alive. Think of just like the turnover rate of your liver, for example. You have a liver every two, three months. That means within a year, you will have liver failure if you don't have new stem cells going and repairing and renewing the liver.
So my point is that Just the fact that you, that you are alive and keep your health is a testament to the effect of your stem cells. You can feel them in repair, but if you don't feel them in repair, the fact that you're alive today is a demonstration that your stem cells are working in your body. So, so, I think the message has to sing down deep enough to realize they are what they are, your repair system.
They are your renewal and maintenance system. So even if you don't feel them, you release them and they will do their job.
Stephen: Yeah, and that kind of goes back to the initial thing when we started that every cell in your body was once a stem cell. So you know, that basically means these are the rate. This is the rate limiting factor of. Of your body's ability to be itself in a way, right? Now it's super powerful. Yeah.
So, if you're interested in this product, it's stemregen. co that's S T E M. R E G E N dot C O. We'll have a code for you. I'll probably be McCain as the code M C C A I N. That's usually the code I use. But check the resource page for that. And then how do people find you if they're interested?
Do they want to ask you some questions? Where can they find you online?
Christian: Well, where I'm the most active right now is, uh, is TikTok and Instagram. I mean, social media was not my, my thing, but that's where I can really reach out and explain so many different aspects of stem cells and the product. So you go on stem cell Christian on TikTok, Instagram. If you have any questions, just put it there and I will answer all the questions that show up there.
Stephen: Fantastic. Well, I definitely appreciate you coming on. And I think this is, it's a whole new frontier that I think is just what a cool product you have. There's nothing else like that out there in the market that I've ever heard of, it's so interesting to me. And these stem cell procedures are very expensive.
You're talking thousands of dollars. A complete stem cell makeover. I just asked what's your name from? Does Sarah clinics? And she was like, Oh, it's 80, 000. I'm like 80, 000, so to have a product like you, that you can. You can take an orally and have in your home and just have it sent to you.
I think it's fascinating. So, uh, Christian, thanks so much for coming on. And I look forward to talking to you and seeing you around the the circuit in the future.
Christian: Same here. And looking forward to your feedback as to what, you know, how, what, what Stemregen is doing for you.
Stephen: Definitely. Thanks everyone for listening to the Steve McCain podcast. Definitely check out the show notes for all the resources for everything we talked about, and we will see you on the next episode. Stay healthy, everyone.
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